There is some more on furries and vegetarianism, following my previous post on the topic, over at http://jm-horse.livejournal.com/82984.ht
Thanks to Alex and his Furry Survey, we have some nifty stats & analysis. One surprising result: herbivore furries are not more likely to be vegetarian.
I was having a look at results from the last few Furry Surveys and noticed that only 4 to 5% of furries identify as vegetarian. I thought this was surprisingly low.
Anyway, I've made a post over on my own journal - http://jm-horse.livejournal.com/82810.ht
Feel free to dive in and comment. My friends are an interesting and diverse bunch.
How did you stop eating meat if you previously liked meat or were used to eating it, and how did you get rid of that addicted feeling towards it? I'm currently trying to reduce the amount of meat I eat, simply because it's hard for me and I don't have any vegetarian friends to yell at me when I get weak, lol.
To get discussion going: how many of you have noticed how much of an easy ride animal rapists (zoos) get in the furry community? A lot of them just claim to "love" animals... if they really did care about animals, they wouldn't wanna give a dog a bone! Meat eating is something most of us have grown up with, with both our families and society in general telling us that the flesh of another creature is a perfectly valid thing to shove down our throats. Raping animals, however, is not looked upon fondly. Whilst it's understandable that many people might eat meat, why do so many in the furry community support animal abuse and interspecies rape? It always does my head in. Thoughts? I've tried reading into their motivations and philosophy but it just makes my head hurt- they can't seem to understand that animals can't consent. It's like training a disabled person to peform sexually- they might want to, they might get enjoyment out of the act, but on a moral level anyone who isn't extremely unbalanced wouldn't support that or ever do it!
EDIT: The position is now occupied by justin_the_jack.
Proof that there is a way to have a sense of humour about animal welfare issues! A satirical piece from The Onion!... :-D
Gymnast Shawn Johnson Euthanized After Career Ending Injury
- Current Mood: amused
I don't know how often this community updates, but I'd figure I'd join here anyways.
I'm new to the furry fandom, but not new to being a vegan. Been vegan for six years now.
I am super interested in meeting other like minded furries.
So I hope some topics/discussions will be started in the future.
This is not fake.
This does not come from some secondhand source.
This is directly from peta's website and proves that they hold animals in higher regard than people.
Note that there's no indication of compassion for the innocent people killed, no call to end the violence, only the request that animals be left out of it.
How is that not putting animals above people?
Following the recent bombing in Jerusalem in which a live donkey, laden with explosives, was blown up, shocking people of all nationalities around the world, PETA has written to Palestinian National Authority President Yasser Arafat asking that he urge those who listen to him to keep animals out of the conflict.
At PETA, we strive to end violence every day. As Albert Schweitzer stated, “Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace.”PETA’s letter to Yasser Arafat
February 3, 2003
Yasser Arafat, President
Palestinian National Authority
Ramallah, West Bank
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I am writing from an organization dedicated to fighting animal abuse around the world. We have received many calls and letters from people shocked at the bombing in Jerusalem on January 26 in which a donkey, laden with explosives, was intentionally blown up.
All nations behave abominably in many ways when they are fighting their enemies, and animals are always caught in the crossfire. The U.S. Army abandoned thousands of loyal service dogs in Vietnam. Al-Qaeda and the British government have both used animals in hideously cruel biological weaponry tests. We watched on television as stray cats in your own compound fled as best they could from the Israeli bulldozers.
Animals claim no nation. They are in perpetual involuntary servitude to all humankind, and although they pose no threat and own no weapons, human beings always win in the undeclared war against them. For animals, there is no Geneva Convention and no peace treaty—just our mercy.
If you have the opportunity, will you please add to your burdens my request that you appeal to all those who listen to you to leave the animals out of this conflict?
We send you sincere wishes of peace.
Very truly yours,
It is kind of sad... but really not all that surprising. When I first found this community, I had really hoped that I would be able to meet some furries who really do care about the animals, and people, and just for the whole sanctity of life in general. I actually did get such an opportunity here, and I'm thankful for that. The thing that still bugs me though is that two years ago, I came on here and was naive enough to think that the majority of furries really did care. When it really comes down to it though, Furry has little or nothing to do with doing the right thing, or being a good person, or even giving a hoot for anybody else for that matter.
I often hear that the Furry fandom itself is suffering from a total identity crisis, because it is so hard for the community to come together as a whole and decide on a common identity. Now I've been to furmeets and furry conventions before, so in this manner I've been able to see how the community tries to pass itself onto the public eye. Supposedly, Furry is a community that promotes diversity, tolerance and acceptance. We furries appreciate and respect nature. We get together and goof around and play silly lighthearted games, and look out for one another. We revel in the imagination, and take pride in our own identities.
Well, maybe the last statement of the above paragraph has some girth to it, but I think even the public has enough sense to know that there is far more to Furry than a sub-culture trying to pass itself off as something you might see on afternoon public television. Furries can go ahead and try to sugar coat it all they like, but ultimately it's hard to deny that Furry has become a huge cesspool of self-indulgence. I wouldn't go as far as to say that furries are any more horny or kinky than any non-furry out there, but it would seem to me that the fandom itself was created specifically to express our most wildly outlandish fantasies and fetishes. Some are innocent enough... heck, even I have a little niche or two... but frankly speaking, much of it is just too aggressive for my taste.
The thing that makes it all so frustrating is sometimes you just want to scream at some of these people, but you just can't, because that would be intolerant. As if I'm just expected to be ok with Mr. Sadist Leather Wolf Freak who fancies raping (and sometimes even eating) other smaller and typically helpless animals, or that guy who thinks he's so friggin' wild because he dresses up in an actual deer skin suit at the cons. Or how about a certain con chairman who shamelessly asks for donations from the fandom so that he can afford a new kitchen... Yeah right... as if people like this are ever going to do me any favors. :-p
The problem with having a community for furries that also happen to be vegetarians is that while being a vegetarian is about making personal sacrifices for an ideology of what is believed to be the greater good, Furry is more often than not a place where such prudence is scorned and indulgence and egoism are not only tolerated, but often rewarded. Most furries hate being told right from wrong, and criticism of their behavior is often met with fierce resistance. Some even choose to bite back... trolls like
Still, whether I want to admit it or not, I still have a soft spot for the Furry fandom, jaded though I may sometimes feel. Aggressive as I may seem about it, I still want to meet new furries that aren't such a blatant reminder of how ugly the world can be at times. In my little furry utopia, everybody loves the animals and plush toys, and faux fur, and everybody is softer and kinder, more gentle and more huggable. Alas. Life is full of disappointments. I suppose Furry is just one of those things where you take what you want out of it, and try your damnedest to forget about the rest. As for being a vegetarian, well, I guess that's just my credence, and so I live with it.
- Current Mood: jaded